Sunday, February 12, 2012

Left Hospital to Deliver Breech at Home

It has almost been two years since Lochlan's birth. Looking back on it now I am so thankful I made the choices I did and had the experience that I had. Lochlan is the joy of my life. I am so thankful that I trusted myself and allowed my body to birth him.

Here is his birth story which was published in Squat Magazine's first issue, Summer 2011 seen here.


On March 20th around 10:30pm I had a contraction; having had multiple contractions in the previous weeks I did not think a whole lot about it. However, when it came I said to my body, “Keep it coming.” I had prayed several times that day that my son would be born on March 21st, which is a special day because my little sister Emma was born on that day.  Around 11:30, 12:30, and 1:30 I had more.

David came home around 1:30am from work and I told him I had been having contractions about every hour for the past four hours. He said, “What can we do to keep them coming? I’m ready for our son to be here.” I told him to do some reflexology on my feet, which he did for a little under an hour. At 2:00am I had another contraction that was much stronger than the previous ones.

A little while later I called my Doula Naomi O’ Callaghan to let her know I was having contractions about every twenty minutes. She told me to take a shower or bath, drink a glass of wine and try to get some sleep because if it was time for him to come I would need as much energy as I could get. I got off the phone with her and immediately had an intense contraction. David went and got me a glass of wine that I tried to drink. I could not drink it and ended up throwing up the wine, so then I tried to sleep.

I was so excited and the contractions kept coming every 10 minutes, then every 7 minutes and then they got down to every 5 minutes. I had to have David call Naomi to let her know because I could no longer talk through them. David called Naomi and she decided it was a good time to come over. I got in the shower to relax. I’m not exactly sure what time this was but I think maybe around 5:30 or 6; after my shower I continued laboring in my bedroom.

Naomi showed up at the house around 7:30. She came into our room and I immediately felt more relaxed and excited knowing my son was on his way. She told me her apprentice Stephanie was sick and would not be coming but asked if her other apprentice Sheree Edwards could come; I told her of course. The contractions kept coming on stronger and stronger and the best way for me to relax through them was on my hands and knees spiraling my hips or standing up with Naomi doing hip compression (these made the pain decrease by about 70% it was amazing). After each contraction I allowed myself to relax and enjoy my down time. I thought about the journey my son was taking and reminded myself he needed me to be strong and brave. 



At one point Naomi, David, and I went on a walk around the block to help my labor progress. We passed by a man that was watering his lawn and I had to stop due to a contraction. You could tell he had no idea what was going on; I remember the look on his face…shock and awe. When we got back to the house Naomi checked me and told me I was at a 4. She said if I wanted to get the most use out of the birthing tub that we should head to the hospital.

We got to the hospital around 10am. I walked in alone while David parked the car and Naomi got her supplies ready. I was going through the doors when a contraction came; a nurse rushed over to me and yelled for someone to get a wheel chair. I told her I was fine and she insisted. I said, “No! I prefer to walk.” She looked at me and said, “You’re a warrior woman I can respect that.”

I went up to the labor and delivery floor where they checked me in to a triage room to monitor the baby and check my dilation. The nurse had me put on one of those awful hospital gowns and into a bed. I immediately felt nervous and uncomfortable. It was not a welcoming environment. A nurse came in and started asking me all sorts of questions, which was very confusing. I was in labor mode and anyone who has been in labor knows your brain does not work the same as in your “normal” state. The nurse checked my dilation and said she could not feel the head of the baby so she ordered for me to have an ultrasound. Before they did the ultrasound they informed me that my Dr. was out of town and so the on-call Dr. would be doing my delivery and she was not comfortable with water births. I felt so much disappointment at that point I could barely breathe. Then the ultrasound technician came in and discovered the baby was a frank breech, another rush of panic. She immediately said, “Your baby is breech I’m going to order an epidural for your caesarean.” I lost my breath and felt tears swelling in my eyes. I had such a healthy pregnancy and he was turned down the whole time. I could not get my head wrapped around this. I asked her to wait a minute. Then the on-call Dr. came in and said she would be doing the surgery. She then said, “We need to get your epidural going.” I again asked her to wait and she said, “For what?” I responded, “To get my head wrapped around this.” She said, “Your baby is breech do you know what that means?” David and I looked at each other, aggravated that she felt the need to talk to us like we are uninformed parents. David asked me what I wanted to do. I asked him to get Naomi so I could talk to her. I did not want to have a cesarean but was not sure what my options would be. I asked the Dr. if I could get up and move around and try to adjust him myself and she said no I had to stay in the bed.

When Naomi came in I was crying. I could barely think through the contractions and being in the bed was making them so much worse. The nurse had been standing there staring at me, obviously wanting me to get a move on it. David asked Naomi what my options were and told her we did not want to have a cesarean. She saw that I was very upset and started calling Dr.’s to see if any of them would do a vaginal breech delivery at the hospital, none would.

I wanted to run away. I did not want to be at the hospital anymore. I had the strongest urge to get the hell out of there. My maternal instincts kicked in. I felt like if I stayed there my child and I would be in danger. Naomi then started calling midwives to see if any were available that had experience in breech deliveries. She finally was able to get in touch with one, Marvelys Lopez, who had actually delivered Naomi’s last child.

Naomi informed Marvy of the situation and asked her if she felt comfortable and confident in delivering a frank breech. She said yes but wanted to talk to use about the risks. David spoke with her and got all the pros and cons. After weighing them I decided I wanted to leave the hospital and deliver at home. We informed Marvy that we were broke and would not be able to pay her right away and she said, “The most important thing is that this baby is born into the world with love and care.” David and I could not have agreed more.

I told the nurse I was leaving and immediately asked to get unhooked from the machines. I had to sign an against medical advice form to leave. As we were walking out you could have heard a pin hit the floor. The nursing staff was in shock that I was leaving the hospital. I was so sure everything was going to be okay with the delivery. I knew it was a “risk” but I felt in my heart it was the right decision, even if it was against medical advice. As I was walking to the car I had another very strong contraction a nurse that was on break ran up to me and asked if I needed a wheelchair. I said, “No thank you I’m going home.” I will never forget the look on her face. It was priceless, one of complete confusion and disdain.


On the way home David called his parents, Gene and Diana and told them that we were coming home to deliver and that we were going to set up the tub outside. Once we got home everything after that became a blur because I was in active labor, but what I can remember is we arrived at the house and I immediately went outside and laid over a chair to labor while waiting for the midwife. Sheree was rubbing my back and keeping me relaxed while David’s parents and sister were helping David and Naomi move the outside furniture for the tub and getting towels handy. I had a few contractions and all of a sudden the midwife was there along with her assistant Merrijayne Melnyk.  I was so happy when she showed up because I knew the baby could come now.


Even though I had never met Marvy she had a relaxing, soothing and nurturing energy about her. I knew the baby and I were in good hands. A moment later another midwife showed up, Kim Trower, to be of assistance to Marvy. I had five women there to help me deliver my son. Incredible.

The tub was taking a long time to fill up so I asked if I could labor in the Jacuzzi. David came in with me. It was so intimate and loving having him behind me, holding my hips and rubbing my back. While we were in the Jacuzzi the doorbell rang and it was a police officer. The officer said there was a noise complaint and asked if “People were F!@&ing in the back yard?” He informed Gene that the neighbors called and said they thought a porno was being shot because a naked man and women were in a Jacuzzi while people were filming. David’s Dad informed him that it was not a porno that it was in fact a woman in labor. The police officer did not believe Gene so Gene said he could see it for himself.

In the middle of a contraction I look up and a cop is standing there. We made eye contact and he looked a little scared. I smiled at him not quite sure what was going on and went back to laboring. He realized he could leave. A couple minutes later my water broke and I felt the baby drop. I had to get out of the Jacuzzi because it was not a sterile environment. The tub was not ready and the midwife asked what I wanted to do. I said I wanted to be in water because I was scared it would hurt more if I were not. I suggested the master bath and they decided to get it ready for me. In between contractions I got out of the hot tub and rushed upstairs. When I got up there I threw my body over Gene and Diana’s bed because the tub was not ready and I was having a very intense contraction. I had a few more and then the babies’ feet came out.

At that point they realized the baby was not frank breech but in fact footling breech which is a much more complicated type of delivery. David said the midwives and Doula’s looked a little worried at that point. They asked me to get into the tub and might I say walking with feet hanging out of you is a little bizarre. As soon as I got in the tub the baby kept coming faster and faster and the pain kicked in full force. I started pushing as hard as I could with each contraction and with each push I felt my energy level deplete. At one point I could no longer feel contractions and it did not seem like I was getting anywhere. I kept looking down and could see his legs hanging out of me but nothing else.

Naomi kept telling me to push, push, push, which I was but he was stuck. I could feel a slight fear set into the room. Apparently, he had an arm caught by his neck and his cord had collapsed which meant he was no longer getting oxygen. All the midwives were doing what they could while I pushed to help him come out but nothing was working. After a couple minutes Marvy asked me to get me out of the tub. She asked me to lie on my back on the floor. I pulled my legs to my chest and with every ounce of energy in my body I gave one more push and she twisted the baby and he came out; he was very grey. He was not breathing on his own so they immediately began an Ambu bag.

At that point I thought to myself, what the hell did I do? I killed my baby. I am so selfish I should have had a c-section. I was scared but I knew I had to be there for him. I could not give up now. He was lying next to me looking so helpless. I then held his hand and started talking to him. I told him how much I loved him and wanted him to be here. I told him I knew he had just had a hard time but everything was going to be okay. I was so afraid. He did have a heart beat the whole time, which is one thing that kept me calm.

At about five minutes his color had gone from grey to pink. I looked up at David and he had tears in his eyes. As much as I wanted to comfort him I knew I had to stay in the moment with the baby to help him come to. After about 10 minutes he started taking breaths. At 12 minutes he was breathing on his own. I immediately felt happy and relieved. The air in the room got lighter and people started laughing and smiling. I loved him so much and was beyond proud of him for being so strong and brave.


Lochlan Eugene Johngrass was born on March 21st at 1:25pm on the bathroom floor in his Grandparents’ bedroom with the assistance of 2 Doula’s, 3 Midwives and the love of an entire family standing by. He weighed 6lbs and 8oz. A true miracle birth.

I allowed him to do the breast crawl
First family photo


It was so nice to go to bed in my own room and snuggle my beautiful son.

142 comments:

  1. Now you are amazing...I'm a midwife in NZ, and take my hat off to you!

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    1. Thank you. At the time it was just what I had to do.

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  2. wow, this story is so enlightening (had to do a bit of google searches on terms)and amazing!

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    1. I am glad you took the time to read it. Thank you.

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  3. What a beautiful birth story and an amazing mama! I don't know if I would have been brave enough to walk out of the hospital like that, even knowing how fiercely I wanted an intervention-free birth. Thank goodness for having a doula that was so supportive and a network of midwives that stepped in to help!

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    1. I am so thankful that I had supportive people at my side. It is so important to have people with you that will advocate for you while you are in labor. I was truly blessed.

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  4. This put tears in my eyes! Congratulations mama, what a testament of maternal strength!

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    1. Thank you for taking the time to read. It was an empowering experience for sure.

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  5. My beautiful baby girl was breech and i never had the option of anything else my water broke and i wasnt contracting so they immediately air lifted me to the nearest big city for an emergency c-section. Fortunately they waited for my husband to get there since he had to make the three hour drive to to me. Your story was extremely empowering and i god willing that when my husband and I have our second child my experience is similar to yours.

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    1. I am so sorry to hear that they took your choices away. I am glad everything turned out well and your husband was able to witness her birth. VBAC's are a wonderful way to heal from your first experience of child birth. I hope that everything goes well with your next delivery. Keep me posted. I'd love to hear about it. Or if you have any questions I am here as well. Thank you for taking the time to read.

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  6. That was beautiful. I'm so glad that you talked about how thankful you are to have Lochlan in your life right at the beginning, because even though I knew it was all fine, my heart was in my mouth. I was with the Doulas and Midwives (in my spirit) and I was praying as I read through.

    Wonderful birth story. Congratulations!

    Mars (MammyDoula) xx

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    1. It is a hard read. Even now when I watch his birth video (which hopefully I will have edited soon to post) I hold him real tight because, I too, find myself not breathing and feeling worried. Thank you for taking the time to read and to comment.

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  7. Thank you for sharing your story!!
    Love it, love you!
    <3

    (homebirthing mama, birth activist, doula)

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  8. Beautiful Uplifting story. I am 40 weeks 4 days today. I am a VB2C trying to have a homebirth this time around. Your strength is amazing and I am so glad you shared it with me!

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    1. You are just as strong as I was. You can do it! I hope everything goes smoothly and you have the beautiful birth that you deserve.

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  9. You ARE a warrior woman! And an inspiration to those of us who birth and parent our children according to what our hearts tell us. <3

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    1. Thank you. LOL> I was raised to be confidant in myself and my views and to trust my instincts. So far it has done me well in life. I hope I can pass that along to my son as well.

      Thank you for taking the time to read!

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  10. Awesome Job! I wish more women would 'go with their gut'...

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  11. Amazing story. Thanks for sharing with us.

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  12. Awesome story! I am a midwife in Oregon. I am very proud of you for doing what you believed in no matter what! Thank you for sharing your story so that others can be inspired and encouraged. Many blessings to you and your family :)

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  13. You rock, mama! Thanks for sharing this amazing story. I will definitely be sharing this story with my doula clients!

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  14. I guess you were a lot luckier than this mama: http://hurtbyhomebirth.blogspot.com/2012/01/magnuss-story.html

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    1. Troll somewhere else. This mama is incredible and brave and listened to her instincts. Thank you for sharing your beautiful story Janelle!

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    2. (Ooops -- entered in wrong box originally.) Not trolling. Pointing out that breech babies can and do die at births and it's not just the "variation of normal" that many claim. Leaving against medical advice because she didn't want a C-section was NOT in her baby's best interest.

      What do you think the mom in the story would do to have her son back? (Incidentally, the birth center in the story is near me, and there are at least three other deaths that have taken place there.)

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    3. And a baby has never died in the hospital, right? Things just *happen* in labor/delivery sometimes. Sometimes good, sometimes bad.

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    4. I don't personally know of a single baby, among my entire circle of real-life and online friends, who's died in the hospital who didn't have a pre-existing condition or wasn't terribly premature. (One had a fatal liver disorder, another trisomy 18. Two were twins born at 22 weeks.)

      The whole "babies die in hospitals" thing gets trotted out all the time, but the fact is that babies die in hospitals of things that they would have died of at homebirths, too. Whereas the staggering number of homebirth/birthcenter stories coming out about babies dying are almost entirely things that would have been prevented in a hospital. Sure, they may have harshed your birth-junkie mellow, but in the end, I know what I'd rather have -- A LIVING BABY. I just don't want anyone to read this story and think that delivering a breech at home, let alone a footling breech, is a fine and dandy idea that's just like any other birth. Because it's not.

      I used to be uber-crunchy. I used to be a huge champion of "trusting birth" and believed all bad things were caused by "interventions." And then, as more and more of my friends got pregnant and had babies, I saw that it really CAN be dangerous, all on its own.

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    5. the problem with your assertion about breech is that it is not backed up by fact, just anecdote. The Hannah Breech trials (which claim breech is more dangerous) have been sufficiently debunked as to completely change Canadian birthing policy, which is now to allow and support vaginal breech. I note you also use anecdotal experience "I don't PERSONALLY know of a single baby..." to make your point. Shall I trade you my anecdote of a baby killed by being given CO2 instead of O2 to resuscitate him after birth, as "proof" that hospitals kill babies? No, I won't, because anecdotes aren't data. Troll elsewhere.

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    6. The Canadian breech criteria are very strict: http://www.sogc.org/media/pdf/advisories/CpgBreechJune09_e.pdf

      They also require an operating room to be available in case of emergency, which I seriously doubt the mother in this story had in her home.

      Oh, and I know the case you were talking about; it was national news, and it happened in 2005 (at a military hospital, sadly, known widely for the shoddiness of its care). There was a lawsuit, which the family won -- and rightly so. Who pays when a midwife damages or kills a child? (Answer: No one, because midwives don't generally carry insurance. Even the birth center in the story I linked to doesn't have insurance.)

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    7. Wow I knew of Magnus' birth story too... and this is actually very close to my home town and I'm friends with one of the CPM's. Part of why this story freaked me out... I wasn't aware of other deaths there though...

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    8. The most recent one was in January.

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    9. The Hurt by Homebirth blog about Magnus is biased. The owner screens all comments and only posts comments which appear to support her views. That's just not fair! My post seemed very neutral. Here it is anyway if your following these blogs.

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      Sorry to hear about your loss. Words cannot express how you feel and what you have gone through. Our sympathies are with you.

      We have decided on homebirth for our first child to be born later this year.

      From the research we have gathered the mortality rate of homebirth versus hospital is the same. The morbidity rate of homebirth is lower than hospital. (This is of course when the birth is accompanied by a qualified and experienced midwife.)

      Unfortunately things can go wrong in either setting. This is of course a concern to all parents.

      With a proper and trained midwife as well as an assistant midwife at the homebirth as well as oxygen/etc in case of complications and being no more than 30 minutes from the hospital we feel that this is a safe choice for us.

      Unfortunately not all midwives are the same. You would need to make sure your midwife is well trained, qualified and most of all, experienced.

      People need to always have a choice about where they can birth!

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    10. Hospitals, OBs and LD nurses need to learn to work WITH people if they want individuals with higher risk births to feel comfortable there. This baby's death isn't only the midwifes faults for being unprofessional and inexperienced, not only the parent's faults for being uninformed, but ALSO the fault of the hospitals and O.B.s that she felt so uncomfortable with using as additional opinion. While the research overwhelmingly shows that home births with a qualified, certified midwife are safer than hospital births, mistakes do happen. They happen in hospitals as well. The U.S. has extremely high infant death rates compared to many other countries who have majority midwife births. Lets not scare each other out of the hospital or into the hospital. Lets try to help people be informed BEFORE they are in labor, heck how about before they are pregnant. Parents, 2yr degree L&D nurses, doctors who have had education washed in more procedure than research, and midwives who either don't have enough education, or experience or have too much of an agenda to be honest with people (that goes for doctors, too). We ALL need to get smarter about labor and birth, and HOPE that we can reduce birth accidents.

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  15. I just want to say you are amazing. When i was pregnant with my second son they took my rights away and deemed me a danger to him, because i refused psychiatric medication that would go strait to the placenta to him (I was deemed bipolar thanks to lies my bipolar neighbor and mother said about me)...when he was born he was snatched from my womb, and i was treated less then an animal , i wouldn't even say i was treated like a lifeless object because people treasure their or not their possessions, more like a virus. the whole pregnancy i was locked up strapped to a bed when i refused medications, and raped with a needle. now i suppose you were not on government assistance when you went to the hospital as i was. i guess if you have a job, a home and a spouse you are treated like a human being...again when i tried leaving the hospital with my third son because they refused to allow me to deliver in the squatting position , they tried again to take my rights away as again i was a danger to him for refusing/cooperating treatment luckily my spouse was with me, we delivered in the hospital me laying down in the bed and he was toted off to dcf, luckily we got my third son back my other two eldest children...it is a forever ache...don't deliver in common wealth states, you have no rights . i am raising 3 of my 5 children, am in contact with my second son, and my eldest who is 15 i don't even know where he is...if i were such a danger i would have aborted them right away not go through 9 months of pregnancy then deliver a 10 lb baby with no pain killers. I shared this story because it could have been you, leaving a hospital with a risky delivery they could have interpreted your actions as life threatening to you and your child. Id rather do things the olden way then go to a hospital who does not listen to what you want and makes decisions for you like they own you.

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  16. Thank you for telling your story. I commend you for listening to your intuition/maternal instincts and not letting anyone influence that. I unfortunately allowed others to get in my head. I've been so traumatized my birthing experiences that I've decided to labor at home for our next one. I'm feel so blessed to have heard your story.
    Thank you

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  17. Not trolling. Pointing out that breech babies can and do die at births and it's not just the "variation of normal" that many claim. Leaving against medical advice because she didn't want a C-section was NOT in her baby's best interest.

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    1. I totally agree with you, especially after just recently knowing of a family close to home that lost their baby this way. Attempted a breech delivery at a birth center and their beautiful 10lb baby boy died because his head was stuck for 7 min. If the parents would have chosen a c-section delivery, that baby would have lived and that's something the parents will have to live with. I totally support homebirth and natural birth, but sometimes I get scared to see the risks that mothers are taking to have that natural birth. Some babies NEED medical help to be brought into this world...

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    2. Another anecdote. How convincing.

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    3. Isn't this whole story just one anecdote? Why is it more convincing than one that ended badly?

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    4. "Some babies NEED medical help to be brought into this world..."

      Yes, that's true... SOME babies do. It's great that we have access to top-notch medical help if required. However, when it comes to birth, if a mother and baby are in good health then more often than not, they don't need any medical help. (Breech does not necessarily mean that something will inevitably go wrong, there are so many great breech stories here - http://www.homebirth.net.au/)

      The World Health Organisation suggests that no more than 15% of births should happen via caesarean. So does that mean that the majority of hospitals with 30-40% are over-using this medical procedure when it's unnecessary?

      Check out this page - http://www.theunnecesarean.com/ - It may enlighten you. It's based on REAL facts and studies, real statistics too... not just a whole heap of anecdotes!

      Just sayin'...

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  18. Truly amazing story. So glad you had so much support, and it worked out ok. Did you ever tell the hospital staff and your OB about the birth? Did they ever call to find out what happened to you? I thougth that was what the police officer at the door was going to be! May I ask which area this is, that midwives are so plentiful, and are "allowed" to attend breech births at home? Just curious!

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  19. Did you ever go back to the hospital and show well everything turned out? Make sure you send your blog to them! :)

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    1. I second this. lol Show them what-for!

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    2. Show them what? That it was riskier? They already know that! I doubt they ever said it was impossible! If the baby had been transverse, then I am sure they would have said that was impossible, of course, but otherwise, I am sure they know there is always a chance of everything being okay. This story actually demonstrates that there was a higher risk.

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    3. I agree... now don't get me wrong, I 100% agree that sometimes hospitals and doctors do interventions for convenience which is wrong (and can always be refused as well), but most of the time hospitals are trying to do what's safest. Will every breech baby die if born vaginally? No of course not. Doctors know that. They also know the high risk involved with vaginal breech births and that's why they want to deliver them by c-section. Better safe than sorry. Very sorry...

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    4. This story proves the hospital's point exactly. This was highly risky. It took the baby 10 minutes to start breathing on his own. Not good. This was just dumb luck that the baby survived at all.

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    5. I'm very surprised that there're so many positive responses. Surprised and scared...

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    6. No I never went back to the hospital or to see my Dr. because I did not need to prove anything to them. I left because I felt that is what I needed to do at the time and am thankful that I did. Although it took my son 10 minutes to fully breathe on his own; he had a heartbeat the entire time and was taking breaths they were just shallow. Yes it could have gone terribly bad but no one knows for sure that a c-section would have ended well either.

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  20. It's not trolling to say that something wasn't statistically as safe. Nothing is 100% so of course there was a chance everything would ultimately turn out okay! And that is great! That is what matters most in this case, but for others reading and for the future, we need to remember the statistical risks. For this mom, though, she also wasn't aware that it was even more risky than everyone thought, but again, that is why it can be safer in the hospital in the event of an emergency. Thankfully, not every emergency and close call will result in death,but that doesn't mean that the risk isn't higher. Home birth can have great results after the fact in terms of interventions and some forms of morbidity, but hospital birth is great for emergencies, thus preventing deaths.

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    1. And what pray tell are these "statistical" risks? I see this being referenced but with no factual backup. Here's a hint, the Hannah Breech Trials were discredited so if you're still using that as your "ZOMG BREECH IS DANGERZZZZ" you'll need to update yourself.

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    2. Doesn't that only say that there is no statistical difference in safety between a planned c-section and a planned vaginal birth? I thought that was it, at best. It does not include home-birthing a breech baby to be as safe as a planned c-section. Homebirth is not as safe as hospital birth in terms of mortality. Where it succeeds is that when it goes well, it is better in terms of less of interventions and less morbidity. (And this is all for low-risk home birth, not for high-risk.)

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  21. This is amazing! You were so brave and I commend you for going with your gut! Makes me want to relive my daughter's birth...I had a 7 hr labor and natural birth in the hospital but if I had a do-over, I would have a home birth in a heart beat. Glad you and your son are doing well!! :)

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  22. This was amazing to read. I'm so happy for you! Congratulations!!! ^.^

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  23. I'm not pregnant, and I'm not planning to have children for several years, but this story is so empowering.. I'm so glad to read stories like yours, because it shows me that if things happen I have options. For so long I've been told "Babies are born in hospitals" and I'm not sure I want that. I want the best for my baby, but your story shows that the best isn't always the hospital! Thank you so so much for sharing your story!

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    1. that is all I care to share; that women have options and can go with their own choices

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  24. Congratulations! Thank you for sharing your story. I support women making informed decisions (whatever those decisions are) and that's exactly what you did! A very unique birth story :-)

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  25. Wow! Thank you so much for sharing this!

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  26. I'm so pleased to read your story. My 10.5 lb breech baby was born a year ago next week and I had to travel out of state (on my due date, my midwives risked me out of their care) to have her vaginally. I had a friend tell me I was so brave, but I was not. I RAN for it! We packed up our little Honda and hightailed it to a safe place where we could have our baby with a homebirth midwife who has excellent physician back-up.

    You did well, Mama. For your whole family. I cracked up about the policeman. Hilarious!

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    1. Right On!!!!!!!! Do you have your birth story posted online anywhere? I also had to drive across state lines for a vaginal breech delivery :) 12 days overdure and after canceling 2 C-section appointments!! I had done a ton of research and I knew a vaginal delivery was 100% what I wanted. But you WERE brave because you made choices that were different than what others thought you should do and that DOES takes guts! You empowered yourself and set an example for others who want to do the same. Thank you!!!!!

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    2. Wow that's amazing that you did that. Women are taking their birth rights back and I am so proud of them all!!

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  27. I applaud you momma, you did a great thing!!! I also walked out of labor and delivery one evening. Unfortunately, after walking out I went back two weeks later because I was with a dr whom I thought I liked and trusted and it ended up being HORRIBLE......... I should have followed my gut and stayed far away from that place!!!

    This took place on December 18th.

    Last night I had been having contractions every 4-5 minutes for about 3 hours and was starting to feel pressure so decided it was best to go in and get checked.


    It was bad from the beginning. I had to go check in at the ER since it was already 830. They brought a wheelchair for me and I told them I prefer to walk. They said I couldn't because something might happen on the way up to L and D. I told them they could hold my arm and they said no, they can't do that.

    So, I get to my room and wait a HALF HOUR for a freaking nurse. She comes in and doesnt even apologize for the wait, starts bossing me around immediatly and telling me what to do.


    She leaves, I put the gown on and wait again, 15 minutes this time. When she came in I was already mad and then things got worse.


    She starts handing me the paperwork, for an epidural, epiosiotomy(sp?) and c-section. I explain to her I am planning an unmedicated birth and she asks what I mean and after I tell her, she says "Oh so u mean natural?!" Duhhhhhhhh WTF else would I mean!!! She says, I need to sign for the epi in case I get to uncomfortable, change my mind and can't. Ummmm NO!!!

    Then, I tell her I do NOT want an epiosiotomy I prefer to tear and she tries to tell me, that it is best because it gets the baby out faster, less chance of baby getting stuck and easier to heal. I don't think so!!

    Then, the c-section is for emergencies only that may include failure to progress, baby is stressed, something wrong with me, baby getting stuck and i dont even remember the rest. I told her I am FINE with a c-section if it is to save my life or my son's but none of the others.

    She then checks me and I told her that because I am only in early labor I prefer to go home and she tells me she doesnt think it is "alllowed". Then the dr comes in and was a total ass and said I cannot leave because I am in labor and 2nd babies come fast.


    I don't know how I managed to stay calm with them in the room but I did. However, the minute the left I lost it, told my husband we are LEAVING and that is exactly what I did!!! No consent or anything!!


    It took 2 freaking hours for them to call and see where I was. The nurse I asked if I got lost or was squatting in a corner. The hospital is 3 stories, I did NOT get lost and if I was giving birth they obviously were NOT concerned if it took 2 hours for them to call. They were not even busy last night they had 3 patients with me included.

    I am still fuming from this and don't know what to do. I just lost my mucus plug and having my bloody show but I cannot and will not go back there :(

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    1. Wow, you need to find a midwife asap!!!

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    2. Where are you living? You need to find a midwife or a birth centre! or write down your wishes - a birth plan - then you have paper work backing you up and you dont have to say what you do and dont want it will be written down for you.

      Good luck! Remember it is your body and your choice!

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  28. I am 100% certain that having a c-section for my breech baby was the right choice for me. I really respect that you made the right choice for you. I am so glad you child was born safely. What an amazing story!

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  29. sorry, but I think you let your ego rule your judgement. My first was breech and thank God I was in a hospital, and no I didn't have to have a C section.

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    1. I am glad you are happy with your birth and I am happy with mine. It had nothing to do with my ego but with my right to choose how I want to deliver my child.

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  30. I am a doula on call for a birth right now and will be heading to the hospital in a few hours I think, this story really gave me strength to handle anything that may come our way today. Thank you for sharing that with me.

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  31. A warrior woman? Seriously? I've given birth 5 times to 6 children and not once used a wheelchair in the hospital. That's not an accomplishment to earn the status of warrior woman. You know who you can call warriors? The women in places like Tanzania or Kenya who walk for 3 hours to give birth in a hospital so their babies are born breathing before 10 minutes of entering the world. My maude, what a narcissistic story this is.

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    1. You have a right to your feelings but there is no need to cast judgement on others.

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    2. Six kids. LOL. No wonder you're cranky.
      And speaking of narcissism, what's more narcissistic than squeezing out half a dozen brats who share your genetics? I sure hope they don't waste their time the way you do, cruising blogs for people to dump on, because that would mean you unleashed six more awful people on society.
      Do you employ the same useless logic with your children?
      "I don't want it, Mom!"
      "There's babies starving in Tanzania, you'll eat it and you'll like it!"
      Christ. Everything is relative, alright? You're both warrior women, given the cultural context in which you were born and raised. American women have access to the easy road in almost every capacity, so when you actively choose to do something the hard way, I say kudos.
      Now go take a nap, Medea.

      To Janelle, you've always been unconventional and brave, and I'm glad to see nothing's changed too much. I'm glad you're writing and sharing. And I'm glad Lochlan is happy and healthy. Maybe someday I can come meet him and catch up with you?
      Lots of love.

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  32. Wow that is so amazing Marvy delivered my 2nd child at home in the water and Naomi was there as well. Such a small world. Would have loved for them to be there with my third but now I am in Alaska. I had the best experience with them. Way to go!

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  33. I hope you don't mind my lengthy response. I was going to re-read your post before commenting, but will go with my gut feelings now that quite a few hours have passed & I don't feel any more mellow about it.

    First, I'm a mother who had a planned home birth for my third...in 1979. I'm an old L&D RN x 20 years, & a midwife x 3 years. I hated the L&D medical system & had been giving midwifery-type care long before I became a midwife. Fought the system as best I could, & then moved on from it. The low-risk women I care for in-hospital give birth on their hands & knees, kneeling, & in pools. They don't have IV's or even heplocks, & I do intermittent monitoring w/as little intervention as possible.

    So, how do I feel about your birth story? Well, I was with you all the way until you learned your baby was supposedly frank breech. I loved how you questioned their routines for breech, & the networking you were able to employ at a moment's notice. I have seen quite a few hospital breech vaginal births by old-school doctors who knew how to do it well. I've learned how to do it myself, but haven't had the chance yet. I've even counselled breech mothers to think about vaginal birth & talked about the 'hands off the breech baby' method, etc.

    I commend your last minute midwives for getting involved, because you might perhaps have done this birth at home alone if they hadn't. I criticise your student nurse relative & your doula for overstepping their roles, by carrying out vaginal assessments (did they do abdominal palpation as recommended, too?) w/out being qualified to do so.

    But, here's where I have to question the effect your article has on readers. You saw, first hand, how your U/S misled you all into feeling sure you had a frank breech, the safer option for vaginal birth. Obviously, your son bent his knees & dropped his feet after the scan. It happens. He extended his arms, as breech babies can do when handled. It happens. Some of your less aware readers seem to have glossed over these points, & are hailing a wonderful birth - I can only imagine that, in reality, this was a horrific experience for all of you.

    I felt sick reading about how long it took to get your baby's trunk & head out. You were likely not fully dilated yet, but his legs came through. His soft abdomen did not give enough pressure for the cervix to dilate fully, which is likely why he stopped at his pelvis. I'm sure your midwife did everything she could; you were in a comfy environment; & you were in water, etc. IT STILL WENT BAD. My imagination jumped from being the mother, to being the midwife, to being the grandmother. Terror on all counts.

    Your baby likely came close to death. I know you already know that because you didn't hide the fact he didn't breath on his own for over 10 minutes; that he was grey & still. If your last huge effort to push him out on your back on the bathroom floor while the midwife extracted him hadn't worked at that very moment, who knows how many more seconds would have cost him his life, and devastated your own life for the rest of your days? You'll never know, even though he's quite healthy, whether his intellectual potential has been foreshortened by his long period of apparent cord compression. But thankfully, he is alive & you are a happy family with a lovely son to raise. You are blessed.

    I commend you on a few things - you must have kept your cool so that the midwife could do her painful techniques. You kept yourself together & talked to your son to bring him back to you while he was being bagged. Well done! You related your story with no holds barred. Important. So how is it that your readers still don't see how close to death he came? Breeches at home are not a good idea for the exact experience you had. It might be good if you shared that with your readers.

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    1. My son is in great health and has no side effects of his birth. He was never dead; had a heart beat the whole time and was breathing it was simply shallow with liquid in his lungs, like many babies born have at times. My midwives were amazing and I am thankful for their support and encouragement. In response to your concern of the effect it will have on others that read it; I never once say this is the best way to birth a breech baby or even the safest. This is the choice I made for my family. I believe women have the right to choose where they deliver their babies whether it is at a hospital or in their home and should not be persecuted or judged upon for their choices.

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  34. BUT if you were in the hospital and had a botched cesarean, died on the operating table and bled to death IT WOUD BE TOTALLY FINE because you were "in the hospital"?!??!!! The united states has one of the highest maternal death rates in the entire world. WE ALSO HAVE ONE OF THE HIGHEST CESAREAN RATES! woman WAKE THE HELL UP. you think that you're "safe" by getting a cesarean? You think cesareans are safer?

    Doctors used to know how to deliver breech births. they're not even taught any longer, which is an injustice to woman, if you ask me.

    Having had a cesarean (an unwanted, highly questionable if it was even necessary at ALL, having not been able to breastfeed and had severe PPD due to my cesarean, THEN 3 years later having prenatal care under a midwife-and an awesome home birth, I can say that I believe your choice was a better choice than letting them cut you open.....) that is my opinion.

    Cesarean birth IS NOT a quick and easy birth. The recovery time is brutal and you have a 40% less of a chance of successful breastfeeding. your chances of having PPD are increased with a cesarean.....

    I say KUDOS for you for taking your birth into your hands, whatever the outcome might have been. Thankfully, the outcome was good, had it been a bad outcome, no one would be responsible but yourself and I applaud you for taking the responsibility for your birth. When things go wrong in birth, woman love to point the finger at Dr's but rarely will own it and say that they were ill-prepared, totally full of fear and not educated, and not had the best prenatal care which would include diet, exercise etc to have a successful birth.

    Don't listen to the haters. I would venture to say that most of them haven't educated themselves on the subject and probably don't have much to contribute to the conversation in a positive manor.

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    1. I love you Chelsea! I agree with EVERYTHING you have said

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  35. ps, JANELLE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEFEND YOURSELF.

    your post has probably reached out to many woman. Be confident that your story could possibly make a shift in this awful trend in birth that we've found ourselves in. A 41% cesarean rate in vegas is appalling. Dr's need to learn how to deliver these babies safely, like Marvie did (even if Lochlan needed some help to breath. Lots of cesarean babies need help to breath also because the fluid doesn't get squeezed from their lungs as they pass through the vagina like a vaginally born baby would. THUS is why NICU nurses need to be at cesarean births.)

    AND woman need to care more about preparing for their births (getting educated, taking classes to deal with pain management so they don't have to have unnecessary interventions and having better help all around) than they care about decorating their nurseries.

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  36. I have been a neonatal nurse for 10 years. A normal, uncompromised baby is NEVER born gray and NEVER needs to be bagged for 10 minutes. You have changed your story already. In your original story, you said it was 10 minutes before the baby even started taking breaths on his own. Get yourself a copy of neonatal resuscitation protocol (NRP) and you will quickly find out that shallow breaths are MEANINGLESS, especially when a baby is gray, as you yourself described. I am glad he had a heartrate, but that does not in any way mean he was OK. He alsmost died and I hope, hope hope he really is OK. You should be extremely grateful that he lived after what happened. C/S babies do occasionally need assistance getting fluid out of their lungs. They do NOT need to be bagged with an AmbuBag and they are NOT GRAY, unless something else is going on which has nothing to do with a Cesarean.

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    1. I know that that is not true. That may be your experience but many babies are born not pink and need some help with an initial breath; if he had died in the hospital would it have been ok then? Just like my friend Chelsea said; if a baby dies at home it's because of a negligent Mother but if happens in the hospital, oh well they did everything they could have...the system is broken whether you want to admit it or not. Women get unnecessary inductions and have unnecessary c-sections. I am not saying my son didn't need extra help; he did. I am not quite sure why you feel the need to keep pushing the fact that MY SON almost died and that you hope he is okay when I keep telling you that he is. His pediatrician has told me he is extremely healthy and I, as HIS MOTHER, know he is a smart, happy and healthy boy. He just turned two and has hit every milestone right on time. You are a neonatal nurse so you see a lot of babies in bad situations and I respect what you do for them but I don't need you to keep harping down on me and my choices. Thank you for your comments and your concern.

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    2. This was my first comment, so I do not "keep harping on you". I brought it up because I am sad you do not seem to realize how blessed you are DESPITE your choices. I would hate for anyone else reading this to not be so lucky. You're right, and I said it before; many babies are born "not pink" and need "some help". My point was that "some help" does NOT mean gray and not breathing and requiring AmbuBagging for 10 minutes. That is extensive help, and your baby would not have needed it had he been born by C/S. This is not a discussion about unnecessary C/S or inductions. I am sure they occur. It is about your birth story. And I am sorry you do not realize that midwives, not just OB's, are driven by the Almighty Dollar, and power, by convincing women who do not know better, that they are safe at home, when they are, like you, extremely high risk. Of course a midwife wants your business! For a baby to turn from frank to footling is NOT unusual, which is exactly why MDs usually will not deliver breeches vaginally. It is risky, even with a C/S readily available. Like I said, I am glad your son is healthy. You truly are a blessed Mom and I hope you come to see it.

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    3. I apologize I thought you were another anonymous commenter.

      My midwife is a Dr. but she prefers do do midwifery work. She is extremely trained in many different areas of medicine and I was in great hands. I, too, don' want women to think that they should do exactly what I did but my son was born vaginally and is fine. Many women can have breech babies vaginally that are not allowed and it shouldn't be that way. I am lucky, I am blessed and I am thankful that I left and had him at home.

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    4. I HAVE read the NRP. It's wonderful and often lifesaving, but there's still a lot wrong with it. Most notably, it involves premature cord clamping. Thankfully, this baby was with a care provider who understood the necessity of keeping the cord intact on a compromised newborn. This was a successful birth! It seems silly to complain about it after the fact. If you want so badly for stuff like this to happen in a hospital, then we need to stop treating laboring women like crap! We need to stop treating her like she's stupid. We need to stop treating her like her wishes are meaningless. We need to start basing protocol off evidence. We need to continue to train doctors in breech and multiples vaginal births. We need to stop cutting women open willy nilly, so when the recommendation for surgical birth is made, a woman KNOWS it's necessary, so she doesn't have to spend the rest of her life wondering if things would've been different, especially if she suffers complications in future pregnancies and births because of an initial cesarean, or suffers secondary infertility, or suffers PTSD (as I do because of my unnecessary forced cesarean), or suffers pain around the incision site for the rest of her life (as I have after my 2 cesareans), or if she suffers from 3rd degree burns (http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/womans_abdomen_catches_fire_du.html), you get the idea.

      Congratulations to Janelle for a beautiful, healthy baby. Good on you for not letting hospital policy push you around. You made the best decision for your family, which may not have been the best decision for someone else and their family. Good for you for sticking to your guns. You're an inspiration!

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  37. The entire problem was caused by the hospital system. If there were doctors who were trained and willing to preform Frank Breech births she could have stayed and gone that route. Then when it turned into a more dangerous footling breech she could have been offered an emergency c-section. That would have been the safest route, but the hospital failed to offer it.

    In many parts of the country the c-section rate is nearing 40%. It's not ethical and you can't trust doctors anymore to tell you when you really need a c-section; which leads back to these types of situations where people feel they must leave the hospital to get good medical care.

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    1. Exactly. If they had let me try to have him naturally I would have stayed because I KNOW breech babies can be born vaginally. It's the fact that it's an automatic c-section that makes me sick and angry; it doesn't have to be at all.

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    2. That's what I was thinking. People have been saying "Well, sure vaginal breech birth is fine in Canada, where it happens in a hospital, but not at home." Well, that option wasn't available! It would have been safer than an automatic c-section for the mother and safer than a home birth for the baby. WHY do they not do vaginal breech births in the hospital here anymore? Breech requires some real expertise ... why aren't the doctors trained in it? I hope to heaven I never have a breech baby, because none of the options available feel that safe to me.

      Janelle, you made the best decision you could, and if things didn't go as smoothly as they could have, that's the hospital's fault as much as yours. I'm so glad all went well for your son and you... but I'm angry you had to be put through such a scary experience.

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  38. I'm the L&D nurse turned midwife who wrote at Apr 3, 2012 05:05 PM.

    I think Anonymous at Apr 4, 2012 07:35 AM said it very well. That's absolutely true, and I get your response to her, Janelle. One reason it would have been wise to birth a breech baby in hospital was because of the availability of emergency C/S IF the baby had gone footling, as he did, or ever got stuck worse than he did. Believe it or not, an extensive outside cut could release a dying breech baby from head entrapment.

    I have no quarrel with you that you ought to have had the choice. That's what those of us who have been in this business of changing childbirth practices since the 1970's and earlier have been doing.

    The second benefit of having him in hospital since you weren't given a choice was that he would have had the benefit of more resuscitation equipment, i.e. intubation and drugs, had he been undelivered possibly even a minute longer. Thankfully, you had a wonderful midwife with an Ambu bag who could carry out the resus. I wonder if he also needed compressions for a slow heart rate (under 80-100)? I doubt she had a neonatal emergency drug box with her to reverse acidosis and stimulate his heart.

    As to Chelsea, I don't really have time to go into all the points she made because she is way off the mark. Having been there, and done that, for 35 years, we have little to argue about. I advocate for VBACs and have attended many. My response was specifically regarding THIS birth, not the insane C/S rate, or anything else on your mind. Re-read my posting! This was about one mother and one baby - little Lochlan, who is lucky to be as healthy as he is.

    The neonatal nurse is right, even babies born slow to respond aren't grey. It looks different, because it is different. In a second's time, you know it's serious. Babies are often born purple/blue and depressed for a minute or two - they come around fine, especially because I never cut the cord early, so I have little serious concern. A few airy puffs over his face and sweet words from mom is 99% of the time all that is needed.

    A grey baby; that pasty white look with a floppy body, is frightening. Needing bagging for 10 minutes is severe. This is a sign of secondary apnea, meaning the baby was already without enough oxygen before being born. The gasping breaths means he's already giving up. Don't forget, I'm really happy he's fine, and remember I have no problem with appropriately low-risk home births.

    Finally, I do commend both of you for being clear that you would take responsibility for any bad outcomes, rather than claiming you didn't have the risks explained sufficiently enough. That is, unfortunately, what often happens...which helps to drive the cycle of litigation all over.

    I'll leave it at that, but know that I'm on your side...always have been. Just think it's important to be judicious at the same time as being a changemaker.

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  39. And a doula ....!!!! So proud of you, Janelle, and grateful for a wonderful outcome. SO GLAD you had a doula to help you with options, and the ability to reach outside "the system" for a different solution. I have been a doula for nearly 30 years and would not do anything else ... my love and life is helping my moms and their choices for prenatal, labor, and delivery. Sometimes we are not popular, but we are generally appropriate ... and help BUNCHES!!!! Thank you for sharing a great story ... and great job to mom, midwives and doulas involved!! xoxo

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  40. I agree with what Anonymous is trying to say and I agree that you are very lucky to have a live baby, however it is the hospitals lack of education in helping mothers birth breech babies vaginaly that put you in this situation, had they have exepted your views on having the baby born breech in the hospital then I belive you would have stayed in the hospital to deliver your baby. however your story should not be taken lightly. and other mums do the same as you and walk out of the hospital. I feel that you were very lucky having a healthy baby, 10 mins is a long time to bag a baby. however saying that the hannah trials do state that it is far safer for a vaginal breech baby than to have a automatic c/s for a breech, I think its time for theses docs at hospital to start having training how to deliver a breech baby vaginaly, women have chocies in child birth, they are NOT to be treated like meat in a hospital enviroment well done,,

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  41. Ow forgot to say mother of 11 children first on was by C/S for being breech, 2nd one was by elective c/s just because i had the first c/s. all the rest have been born at home in a water birth pool 2 breech babies followed by 7 head down babies home alone with just my husband as no one would let me deliver vaginaly we sued the hospital for the first two c/s, for their lack of experiance and unnesesarry surgery that i had to have 20 units of blood for as i haemoraged badley a c/s does not come without complecations for the mother or the baby babies do die in hospitals and so do many mothers with c/s but of course it is not mentioned in the press, like it is when a mother or baby dies in a home birth. had we had competant medical staff when i had my first baby then i would not have taken the risks of delivering on our own at home but some say i am lucky ha what luck to have a husband that works on a farm and delivers lambs and calfs I would never put my birth stories in the press due to other mums thinking it was a safe option to do what i done i have 11 perfectly healthy children and am a very proud grandmother of 5, no one should be discreadited for how they have given birth against medical jargon.. its up to the meds to get their facts right and re learn how to deliver brech babies vaginaly . I am proud of you delivering your baby at home but surley as i said in my earlier post had the hospital respected your wishes to have a breech vaginal delivery then you would not have just walked out that hospital, a c/s is major surgery not a simple littel operation like most mothers are lead to belive i nearly died after my first c/s, and i am sure that would not have been mentioned in the prees had i done so, xx

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  42. I don't understand all the people applauding you. The fact is your baby very nearly died. They aren't even concerned for him and his well being. All praising you and how calm you were??? I'd be shitting a brick that my baby stopped breathing for 1 minute let alone 10 minutes. You have no idea as someone else said what kind of brain damage he may have from being starved of oxygen for so long. You said he's perfectly healthy but you can't tell anything like that until he's a least school age. I'm praying he has no long term effects from it but if god forbid he does I doubt he'll be calling you a warrior woman then. I can't believe you chose to risk you sons life just so you could have what can only be described as a childish tantrum about not having a c-section. I would prefer to have a c-section over having to bury my child any day.

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    1. well apparently, "taking responsibility for it", or being OK with your baby dying or suffering brain damage, makes everything OK. It's Your baby. As long as you get to deliver your way, and have your rights. I don't understand it either.

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    2. Many babies who do not have the cord cut prematurely don't breath for a full minute after birth. It's not uncommon to take 5 full minutes. This doesn't mean they're not getting oxygen. It just means they're still getting oxygen from the mother via the placenta until they're ready to breath on their own. 10 minutes is a long time, but makes sense under the circumstances, since the cord was likely compressed while the head was being birthed. The baby needed that much time to recover, and thankfully remained attached to the mother during this time, and had a knowledgeable and well-trained care provider present. A cesarean has short and long term risks as well, both for mother and baby. Her son's life was at risk regardless of her choices. Her choice to birth at home with a trained midwife was as valid and as likely to result in a good outcome as agreeing to surgery. Only the mother knows her specific circumstances, and which risks she's willing to live with. Death was on both of those risk. There's not need to condemn her for choosing something you would not have. You're not her.

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    3. So if you believe it, it won't happen?! What would you say to my friend who also "100%" did not believe her child would die...and it did? Because her midwife FALSELY believed that the cord would resuscitate the baby, and therefore did not initiate proper rescusitation measures? Because if you know the first thing about labor, you will also understand that the placenta DETACHES the minutes the baby is born, and therefore cannot continue to provide the baby with anything. The pulsing you feel is the baby's heartrate, not maternal. The only (possible) benefit to not clamping the cord is that there is a small amount of blood leftover in the placenta, which can then transfuse to the baby. A baby that is not breathing is NOT getting oxygen, same as you or me. You say your midwife is also a doctor? Then she will know that what I am saying is absolutely true. 5 minutes of not breathing spontaneously is a TERRIBLE situation, and not in any way normal. 10 minutes is way too long. If you don't believe me, why don't you check and see how long it would take someone to drown? The responder did not condemn Janelle, btw. She said she did not understand her. And neither do iI.

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    4. "Small amount of blood left in the placenta" - what do you mean by "small"? My understanding is that it can be up to 50% again of the baby's current blood volume, which I would not consider small... Also, that the blood in the placenta waiting to return to the baby is oxygen rich. This means that the cord and placenta can be EXTREMELY useful in helping a baby who has had a difficult start. This means that there is "benefit" to not clamping, and risk associated with early clamping.

      My questions to the OP: 1. WAS the cord actively used to help resuscitate your baby? (for ex. "milked" to push oxygen rish blood to the baby?) 2. Did your DOULA carry out internal exams?? Surely that is outside scope of practise for a doula... :-S 3. If the hospital "let" you sign an AMA form to walk out, couldn't they have done the same for you to birth vaginally with your midwife in the hospital?

      I am so glad for you that you are both well, but cross that the current climate drives woman to less-safe choices that they are not comfortable with! As I get the impression that had the hospital "allowed" it, you would have been more comfortable staying there to birth your baby.

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  43. http://hurtbyhomebirth.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/magnuss-story.html

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  44. Here is my response to all of the comments: http://knowmommy.blogspot.com/2012/04/in-response.html

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  45. (Please note: I also posted this comment on the response page)

    Janelle,

    After almost two years of being quiet about it, you have moved and inspired me to write out my own controversial breech birth story and share it as well. Thank you for trusting yourself so strongly and making such strong decisions. If your son has anything to be lucky for, I think it would be for having such an amazing mother. If the choices you continue to make in your own and your son's lives lean heavily on self-trust and LOVE, as they did in this story, it is my personal belief that you will be imparting one of greatest gifts you could ever give to your son: the ability to do the same thing. And that is the kind of stuff that makes this world a better place.

    If you and any others would like to read my birth story, you are welcome to do so at www.BreechBirthStory.blogspot.com

    Thank you, Janelle!

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    1. This brought me to tears. Thank you so much for leaving this comment it truly touched me. I will definitely be reading your story!! Thanks for sharing and speaking up!

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  46. Congratulations and I applaud you on your courage. I too, had a breech baby and was planning a natural hospital birth. Kim Trower was my doula, April Kermani my MW (back when she worked in the hospital). Right after my dad died, my son flipped breech, wouldnt turn. I couldn't afford a HBMW, didn't know about UC and lived in NW Las Vegas and was birthing at St Rose de Lima so was scared if i labored the whole way at home i'd end up birthing in the car. My cesarean was fairly non traumatic and non complicated but wasn't at all what I wanted. I remember feeling panicky after they put in my IV...like a trapped animal...and I wanted SO badly to rip out the IV and just walk right out of there in my hospital gown and go home. Sometimes i wish i had. Kudos to you! (since then i had my daughter unassisted, big beautiful 41 week 1 day 9 lbs VBAC, so i've healed...) But yeah, I could just relate to so much of your story and wanted to say you are awesome for following your gut.

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  47. Your story has brought me to tears... absolutely beautiful. Good for you two for doing what you knew was best for you & the baby (leaving the hospital!). I had a planned home birth.... for fear of what you endured there: epidural, monitors, not moving around... loss of body & choice! I think I scanned some negative comments, I couldn't bring myself to read them after being so uplifted by your story. I would imagine those comments come from a place of fear, our society has done a good job of embedding that in us when it comes to birth! Thank you for sharing your story, I'm going to pass it on.

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    1. I am glad you were touched by my words and experience. Yes, there are negative comments but that is to be expected when you do something that goes against the norm, especially when it comes to birth and babies; people tend to get very upset. I, too, believe that a lot that comes from fear of the unknown of from insecurities of not being able to listen to their inner self. Thank you for sharing my story and helping spread the word that natural is normal.

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  48. I'm so happy for you and your family and I'm glad I read your story.
    Two years ago I delivered a healthy beautiful baby girl in my home and I am very grateful that I chose to go that route. Not everything went perfectly: It was a long delivery (48 full hours of painful labor), labor drastically slowed down for a while in the middle, and I tore pretty badly. I know that things could have been even worse (something my husband, mother and friends were more worried about than I was). But I also know that, had I been in a hospital, when labor slowed down it would have been called "failure to progress" and petrosin would have been pushed. It would have been hard for me to say no--not because I wanted it but because I was in that "birth mode" that leaves little brain power for thinking about anything else.
    All in all I am ever more grateful that I chose the way I did. My original plan was to march into the hospital with a list of demands and force them to comply with my ideal birth experience. It was actually my grandfather (who has written some 12 books on the subject) who suggested that I stay home. He was the one that empowered me, opening up an option (homebirth) that I hadn't thought possible. Of course, not everybody has someone in their life as informed as my grandfather, which is where stories like this come in. Anything that makes women THINK about their options and their rights is a good thing. Too often we are herded like sheep and never even wonder why.

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  49. At 37 weeks with my 3rd baby I was informed that she was breech and that I would be having a c section. I was terrified. I went home and did my research. I was able to find a Dr who was willing to reform an ecv to preserve my VAGINAL birth plan. 2 weeks later I delivered a posterior (for the second time) baby girl. She is now a happy healthy 6 month old. Thank you for sharing your amazing story!

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  50. I too walked out of a hospital in the middle of full blown labor, and I tell you to this day, five years later, we still laugh at the way those poeple looked at us. We were a posse too, me, hubby, three doulas, and two midwives. Happy babies born on the bedroom floor!

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    1. that is amazing!! I would LOVE to read your birth story. A kindred spirit :)

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  51. I am a nursery nurse - I would support a healthy home birth - if baby was in a good position, head down, but we have seen horrible cases of home births that did not go well and thankfully the mid-wives got the moms to the hospital in time to save both. mom was bleeding from a placenta that tore loose, baby and she were both in danger, baby coming out transverse - sideways with a hand, arm and shoulder at the opening, baby almost died and mom bled severely, one case were baby got stuck at home delivery and baby died. I too am very concerned when a baby comes out and does not breath - they can be blue/purple - and we give them some oxygen - they pink up and start moving and breathing and crying, and don't suffer brain damage from loss of oxygen. I would hate for other mothers to read this and think they could have a safe home delivery of a breech baby and their baby die. if you want to attempt a home birth - be sure you have a smart mid-wife that can realize you and baby are in danger and can get you to the hospital in a few minutes. You still don't know if this baby boy suffered brain damage from loss of oxygen at birth for 10 minutes, a gray limp baby is a sign of pending death, heart beat is good, but he was not getting oxygen to his brain in an effective manner to prevent some learning defects he may suffer in school. why would you take a chance to do this to your child, yes the doctors should learn to do breech deliveries in the hospital - but until they do - please don't hurt your babies by delivering a gray limp newborn at home that has suffered loss of oxygen at birth. this is so sad.

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    1. Yo, Anonymous-- pay some respect to this amazing, intuitive mama who did what she absolutely knew she needed to do for her baby. She trusted herself. It is your job as a provider to support women when they trust themselves. I'm sure you know all the stats and risks of being in a hospital. Either way, it is a mother's choice, her choice, her choice and her empowerment. This is not sad at all. This is one of the most empowering things I have read about birth in a long time. I, unforunately, did not listen to my intuition. My baby did not die; in the end he is a healthy baby, but the medical, mental, marital, emotional, sense of self fall-out has been huge and longlasting. I think this woman and her baby and her husband are completely amazing. They reclaimed BIRTH!

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  52. Wow! That is such an amazing and beautiful story. I am so proud to hear happy stories like that, even if it had it's scary moments. You did a wonderful job, and he is just strikingly beautiful. :) I hope everyone is still doing well, and congratulations! And don't let anyone tell you that you made a selfish decision. No matter what happens in a situation like that, there will always be doubt, and "what ifs", so you can't dwell on that. You did a great job, and exactly what comes naturally. Good job!

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  53. I cannot believe you put your baby at this much risk to have the birth you wanted. Unbelievably selfish. Yes, I am judging you.

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  54. Full term, well nourished newborns are actually stronger than we give credit for. I have midwifed a few (very few, fortunately) babes at home over the last 35 years who needed some resuscitation for dif reasons and they have done fine. Even one that breathed and cried after his fast, uncomplicated water birth and 'crashed' 5 min later. CPR, O2, paramedics, hosp transport, even helicoptered from the small country NICU to the big city NICU. Many tests, 1 week in hosp later (unusual to see an 8.5# babe in the NICU...) docs, neonatal peds, etc. could find nothing wrong with him, still never gave him a 'reason' for crashing. At 8 yrs old (he had extensive tests for his 1st 2 yrs on his birthdays) he is continuing to be a normal, active, very bright healthy boy. Halelujah....

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  55. Arguing that hospital deliveries have their problems too is irrelevant. Of course they do, and there are many of them. Of course a mother should be able to make an informed choice to birth her breech baby naturally, or at least try to. There are myriad issues with the state of obstetric care in the USA today. No one denies this. The answer to that, however, is NOT to try to birth your breech baby at home once you've been told you need a caesarean, and oops look at that he went from frank to footling and got stuck and nearly died. Normal infants are not born GRAY. That is a horrible sign. Normal infants do not need breathing assistance from an ambu bag for 10+ minutes. This child nearly died, particularly given he was not in a hospital at birth receiving care from doctors. This could so easily have gone the other way. It is not because the mother trusted her body to birth him and blah blah blah, it is because of dumb luck and the (sometimes present and sometimes not) resilience of human life.

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    1. Dear Mama who wrote this blog: I am so sorry that you are getting these disrespectful responses from people; to me, it speaks to their own fears and doubts of themselves. I only wish I had read a story like yours before I gave birth. I gave birth in a hospital, against my intuitive judgment, and believe my baby and I suffered unnecessary complications as a result of being in an environment of FEAR and legality. I only wish I had had the fortitude to sign the refusal to consent forms, the fortitude to walk out the doors, the fortitude not to walk in the doors in the first place. I will carry your story in my heart for a long time as a true blessing and reminder of women's strength and intuition. It is not the specific outcome that determines the strength and rightness of an action. An action, aligned with intuition, is ultimately right for that person.

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  56. I don't know how you do it Janelle, hearing all of these ignorant comments of people who don't have the decency to post their real name but post as anonymous.... it's incredibly insulting to judge a person or comment and be disrespectful but not be able to back it up with your own name.

    You know my feelings about what you did. I'm glad that you went with your heart and did what you had to do, whatever the outcome would have been. You did the right thing. These people who leave such awful comments, don't let it bother you. They may never know the joy of what birth CAN be when we birth on our own terms.

    These comments irritate me.

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  57. Your post terrified the living daylights out of me. Because I am educated about the risk that you put your son in as well as the risks that you avoided, which were much much much much much smaller than the risks that you took. I cringed with sadness reading your mockery of the nurses facial expressions when they realized that you were going to leave the hospital to risk this dangerous birth at home. They cared about you and your baby and your response is to find this "priceless." You felt "in your heart that this was the right decision." This does not make it so. Just visit the local psychiatric hospital or cult for some simple evidence of that. I am SO glad that your baby survived and that you were okay. I think that it is so sad that your focus is on your baby being strong and brave, yet he couldn't BREATHE FOR MINUTES because of YOUR uneducated, foolish choices. In terms of what could have happened, and what you made much more likely to happen because of your choices, well, Ignorance is Bliss. Of course I don't see any need for you to beat yourself up over this, that would belie the fact that you were given one-sided paranoid information by your midwives.... but you ARE publishing this as a pride story and other people might be swayed, so please think about the risk of your blog-post contributing to another baby's death. Or at the very least, just beginning to consider the option that there actually are situations (i.e., medicine, engineering, physics, etc) for which a very thorough education is prerequisite.

    Sonya

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  58. It took me about 20 years before I was able to admit my stupidity at having a UC. I almost killed my daughter by not having a cesarean. She had a shoulder dystocia and needed mouth-to-mouth to get going (no chest compressions, thank god). For *years*, I bragged about how wonderful the birth was, about how quickly she came around, how great UCs were. I am horrified at how many women I might have led towards a UC or an unsafe homebirth. My daughter is now 27 years old, brilliant beyond words, but she began breathing on her own within one minute of being born. Her first Apgar was about 6, her 10 min. Apgar was 10. Your baby's Apgar was not anything nearing that.

    I can't help but warn you about your future guilt when your baby shows the signs of your arrogance... school will be very telling for you.

    A horrible, sad, devastating story that deserves nothing but pity.

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    1. what a bitch . . .

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    2. My son is 5 now and thriving!! His pediatricians says he is one of the healthiest and smartest boys he sees. My story does not need pity and I have no guilt. Thank you for your comment and for sharing your personal opinions.

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  59. two words 'divine intellegence'

    thank you so very much for sharing your personal, amazing story.

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  60. I echo Amanda. And Barb (Navelgazing Midwife)... that was nothing short of rude. The keyword in your message was "arrogance". If only you knew how to consider it for yourself in the present tense. You are living proof that age and experience does not necessarily make one wiser. >:(

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    1. I completely agree! I love love love this story!! I stopped following the Navelgazing Midwife's page when she began allowing her fear to control her views on empowered women.

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  61. I am so proud of you and so amazed at your story.

    We have a similar one, my second baby was breech, but, unlike you, I didn't listen to the clear strong voice inside of me telling me to run somewhere to be alone and away, and we allowed a panicked emergency doctor to enter our house and terminally injure our beautiful baby as she was coming out. We now know that untrained and fearful doctors are FAR more dangerous than Nature. I will forever regret I didn't listen to my inside voice.

    Our story:
    Miriam arrived 10 days "early." On the 26th we had dinner with friends, at our house. A little after 10 pm our friends went home and we went to bed. At midnight I felt a sudden pain in my side. About ten minutes later I woke up my husband. Less than 30 minutes later I was in transition. An ambulance, was called by a campus guard who had heard me scream. [Interestingly, during this time I had a very strong voice tell me to walk into the woods and bear the child alone. Maybe, if I had read "Spiritual Midwifery more recently, I would have followed the voice, but I ignored it and stuck to my birth plan.]

    The ambulance took about 20 minutes to arrive. During this time I went into the bathroom, thinking I had diarrhea, and then realized I was giving birth. I moved from the toilet onto my hands and knees and set myself to remember the instructions I had heard from Dr Arcia [a homebirth doctor] and from a woman who had borne breech.

    Miriam was kicking her little legs and had emerged up to her chin into my husband's hands when the ambulance doctor arrived. I saw that the doctor was very young, and that she was in a terrible panic. I could see her very clearly, and saw that she was not really in her right mind, and asked my husband not to let her touch me. We later found out that the doctor misunderstood the situation and thought Miriam was "stuck," and also had imagined that Miriam had been in the same place ever since the guard called the ambulance. She yelled loudly at me that I had to stop pushing, and get up and onto my back and move to a bed so she could operate. When we didn't comply she elbowed my husband painfully in the ribs then grabbed Miriam from him in one hand, letting the towel that had wrapped her body fall while chopping at me with a small scalpel, such as one uses in high school biology (we still have her tool). I told her that I could no longer resist pushing, and tried to show her how to put a thumb into Miriam' s mouth to tuck her head, to protect her neck while I pushed. Instead, while I pushed, she yanked and chopped.

    During the doctor's "operation" Miriam stopped kicking and when she emerged she was ashen. The cord was healthy and still pumping, (and had not been around Miriam's neck) but the doctor ignored my weak plea to wait to cut it. Nor would she let me hold my baby. I delivered the placenta soon after and we left on two separate stretchers for the hospital. Upon arrival at the hospital the ambulance doctor fainted. Miriam looked dead, and her heart rate was very low, below 50. Because we are opposed to heroic medical intervention, my husband begged the hospital to let her die in peace but instead they used a cocktail of drugs and intubation to revive her. Meanwhile, an older, very experienced obstetrician gave me 52 stitches to repair what he said was "an illogical and useless cut." The ambulance doctor had not given me an episiostomy. In her panic, she had cut in a relatively random place.

    Our daughter lived for less than 9 months, 4 of them in hospital.

    I am so glad to see your website. Bravo!

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  62. A PS to my last comment but this time about babies who right after birth didn't breathe for a bit or a longer while: I have met so many adults now who have told me the "miracle" story of their birth, often normal breech, in which people thought they were dead and then they started breathing normally minutes or in one case supposedly more than an hour after the birth. (This last story was told by the best pediatrician we ever met, a brilliant man, about his own home birth 60 years ago.) I now question whether it's a big deal if babies don't breathe right away, or if they don't breathe normally right away if they NEED to be resuscitated or if the Natural course of things would take care of them better. Unfortunately, Medicine doesn't currently ever question its basic premises (like not breathing leads to death always and quickly) so it may be a long time before anything new about breathing is "discovered."

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  63. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that most of the negative comments here are written by the league of care providers (doctors AND midwives) whose livelihood would be in jeopardy if more women became as assertive as you were during this birth.

    Well done, woman!

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  64. Thank you so much for this encouraging report! You were very courageous but also lucky. I believe that our instincts are leading us through delivery if we allow them not be disturbed by too much medicine.
    I can say that as I had one caesarean with my first child, but after this traumatic experience wanted my second child to be born by a natural birth -- which happened and went very well. It was so much better the second time.

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  65. Yes, if only we all could have the fun experience of delivering a grey, lifeless baby!

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  66. This is one of the most cultish group of comments I have ever seen. Those medical providers were scared for you and your baby and you were proud of shocking them by risking death to your child. It's grotesque. I am glad everything worked out ok but your denial is horrifying. There is nothing empowering or "warrior woman" about this story. It is just sad what our egos do to us, and possibly our innocent children.

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    1. I think what is sad is the medical community bullying women into thinking they can't deliver their babies or that their bodies are broken.

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  67. Every baby is born differently and every Mother has a right to choose how that happens. We make choices every day for our children that impact their well-being. I think it's sad that people feed their children McDonald's. In my opinion that is extremely reckless and is known to cause tons of diseases but it's "accepted" in our culture so it's okay. I went around "medical opinion" and trusted my body. Did my baby have to work a little, yes, but we both survived, he didn't die, not all babies die that are breech.

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  68. So who is bullying the women in 3rd world countries with dead babies? Or the women that stink of urine because of their untreated 4th degree tears?
    Nevermind that - which CPMs bullied the 1-2% dead breech home birth babies in the recent MANA study?
    You got lucky. To think your luck is contagious is idiocy.

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  69. Just wondering if any of you have seen one of these beautiful 10 lb. babies fighting to live for months on an ECMO pump? I have.

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  70. I'm glad your baby survived but your decision was appalling. Being a "warrior woman" is nice bragging rights and all in the natural birth community, but to promote such reckless decision making as simply "trusting your body" is dangerously misleading. You got lucky.

    What bugs me about the homebirth movement is that you take the life of your kids for granted in the name of a cause. You expect things will turn out just fine because you "trusted birth." I'm the parent of a baby born with lifelong congenital defects. It's actually very sad and traumatizing to watch your newborn go through emergency surgery, a NICU recovery, and to know that the baby will still need to be treated by specialists though childhood. It's amazing to me that there are those of you who'd willingly risk injury and death to your child so that you can place your experience of birth above all other considerations.

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    1. I'm sorry your baby has lifelong congenital defects. I did not write my story to brag or boast. I did not birth my son naturally or at home to "place [my] experience of birth above all other considerations"; I made my choice based off research, education and a mother's intuition and I stand behind it. Other woman have a right to make their own decisions about their bodies and their babies and I am thankful and support every Mother's right to choose.

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  71. You are aware there's a 1/200 chance, aside from the breech, that he could have died. At home. 10 minutes to breathe isn't good. While I'm happy he's here, the decision to go home and labor with chances being so high, and doing so JUST in the sake of vaginal birth is appalling. This is coming from a VBAC mom. You have more of a chance of your child dying during an HBAC than you do putting them in a car without a carseat or seatbelt...would you take those risks in a car?

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  72. it's a very helpful article, In my opinion, every mom wanna-be should understand that being pregnant is a miracle, so they will take care their body with a great love and understanding.

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